He wanted all men to come to Him and have koinonia with Him, but He did not intend that those did come Him should have any exclusive group around Him. A new Jesus one who never calls for self denial, who is more hyper spiritual than he is authentically human. I do find it interesting how everyone attacks those trying to bring people into the knowledge of the truth. Jesus is 100% God but He also was and is and always will be a very easy and normal MAN and to live with. we have to be about establishing what is right. What you said is correct. I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me. In such statements as these, Jesus made it clear that He is the sole and perfect means of salvation, and except through Him there is no salvation (compare Acts 4:12). There were plenty of opportunities for this to be mentioned in the New Testament, but we never see it happening. fromheaven,orofmen? They were floating ON water IN the ark which is a metaphor of Jesus Christ. You are so hungry for the real thing that any little trick will do. I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. Sndergaard's immigration trial has been set for December 13. The Call of Jesus, by Torben Sondergaard, is like an easy to understand instruction manual pulled from Scripture to help us effectively live the life to which Jesus has called us. Torben makes friends for himself and not for the Living Resurrected Lord of all. Other christians have told me I cant discern what is true and what is wrong, and that what I received that wonderful day of salvation is not of God. I dont know. All glory to Yeshua who opens blind eyes, deaf ears, causes the lame to walk and the dead to rise. The presence of the Holy Spirit makes demons manifest..but if the demons dont come out but rather are allowed to have a field day, then it is the presence of another spirit and not the HOLY Spirit. 2000 years agp the worldly people called Yeshuas followers Christians. Asking questions is always wise and yet skeptism and cynicism is folly also. I would point also to Mathew 24:24 where Jesus says that even the elect will be deceived by false prophets performing signs and wonders. He was not acting like the King of the Jews. If you do not understand something it is better to be quiet because it is possible your fighting against God. I see and hear more flattery than encouragement. The things of God are too precious to be treated as common. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. b) (Niphal) Your important statement, `the simplicity of Christ,` leads us to the very first Key. 3.Arent all the epistles (Rom to Rev) written to baptized(fully immersed) communities who started taking up their cross to follow Jesus pattern1Ti 1:16? Torben with his wife Lene on her birthday ( Source : facebook ) At some point Seymour replied, Im just upset because you have the wooden leg on. (Hebrews 13:8 NASB). Acts 14:10-15 Brown Is LIVE on the Line of Fire every Monday - Friday from 3 - 4 PM EST On Facebook and Youtube.Sign Up for Weekly Updates! 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.. Do you remember the incident of the woman who touched the hem of Jesus garment? God will move you along as fast as your faith will allow. The leg lengthening thing Ive seen happen in real life and, no, it wasnt a trick because I knew everyone involved and they were almost as shocked as I was. Each and every one of us Can worn them of sin & bondage without feeling like a hypocrite He is an independent agent creating his own kingdom of the world, presenting it as the Kingdom of God. There may have been those that didnt respond in love and in a true biblical manner to honestly test the spirits, but to generalize anyone who didnt believe the video as true biblical healing as a cynic was wrong to do. There is nothing wrong with being cautious and asking questions. Final thought to underline what I wrote earlier. That may have been more of satans intent than the immediate deceptions he caused. Many genuine Christians will think they are missing out on something special if they dont speak in gibberish that God favours those who speak in tongues more than those who dont. And yes the first video was full of evidence that we are dealing with a genuine and anointed man of God. A wooden staff that turns into a snake. Holy Spirit to death. Remove the hardness and scar tissues of doubt, unbelief, ungodly fear and incredulity we recieved from those days of past deception. Agreed Andrew.avoid those who 2Tim3v5,,,,have a form of godliness but deny the power.we need miracles and healings etc .and oh how we need discerning of spirits to get delivered from the power of darkness and lazy religious demons.. Jesus hasnt changed! Another thing that delineates the two from one another is the issue of simplicity, this is very important, and I have been asking the Lord to define simplicity as HE means it, because I dont know how to capture it in words, but I think it does at least partly have to do with the right hand not knowing what the left is doing, as well as being CAREFUL not to make an idol of the things of God, the miracles, etc. Now that says to me that maybe those people throwing charlatan accusations had best be careful how they choose to voice their skepticism because if this is the work of the Holy Spirit, and I believe it is, then you are in a lot of trouble. Holy Father, KEEP THEM IN YOUR NAME, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. Its not a matter of some are more humble or nicer or more genuine etc, because ALL our flesh has the same susceptibilities and needs to forget what the left hand is doing. Soendergaard was booked into the Orange County Jail system in or around Orlando, FL. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` The pitfall that the Lord was gracious to show me is a danger that needs to be avoided, its not fear mongering or inappropriate to shine a light on the enemys snares, it is love and concern, not to mention a duty. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. As of 2022, Lene is currently 46 years old and was born on April 5, 1976. Hi Tom & Deborah After all, Paul was not sinless like Jesus. Exd 4:7 KJV And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. Seymour then asked the one-armed man, Can you work with just the one arm? And when man USES these things, that is witchcraft. Once again, you are putting water H2O on par with the blood of Jesus, and that, my friend is very, very dangerous. Next, Sister Lankford told of the man with no arm. Will you tithe if I pray for you and God gives you your arm back? Jesus also REVEALS TRUE FAITH in His Prayer to His Father for ALL of us. etc. Let Gods holiness arise in His people ! In the Name of Jesus, I command this leg to grow out. No one has to prove to you that people got healed , Dont you know that? God answered that heart cry in the following manner. He told us that He is our ONLY Teacher Matthew 23:8-10; and the 5 fold ministry He has gifted to His Body, is Him, so let us seek His understanding to find out who are those of Him and those who are false 5 fold ministers.. eerie suggests an uneasy or fearful consciousness that mysterious and malign powers are at work . hesitate) to do something (for fear of harm) Jesus shows us TRUE FAITH. He healed people SOMETIMES He spoke to them of repentance OFTEN not. These are NOT demon possessed, but they are SURROUNDED and being INFLUENCED AND/OR ATTACKED because of their unrepentant sins, disobedience, and lack of knowledge about HOLINESS AND TOTAL SUBMISSION TO THE HOLY SPIRIT. Torben Sondergaard is a self-proclaimed apostle and faith healer from Denmark who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. Theres a schism in the church; those who believe Acts was for that time only, and those who believe that the empowerment that happened in Acts is for the churchs lifetime until He returns. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in eight suitcases. How different Jesus was from those sectarians who, like the Scribes and Pharisees, search sea and land to make a member of their group, only to make him twice as much the child of Hell as themselves (Matt. I have a friend who is going to Redding California to Bethel church under Bill Johnson to experience signs, wonders, and healing. I know many false things are going on there. Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself. John spoke of this again in 1Jo 5:8 Its sad that christians would mock other christians and claim they cannot discern the false from the truth when it comes to their personal walk with the Lord. Marilyn. : of, relating to, or caused by witchcraft OR THE SUPERNATURAL : magical Jesus was emphasizing water and the Holy Spirit? Andrew, you and your followers are in huge trouble. June 30th, 2022 by Crime Informer. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. You said, `the backdrop of the whole Bible is needed to understand the point & purpose of revelation.` So true. Torben is actually seeing it work IN PRACTICE. believe this authentic move of the Holy Spirit is only recent..? Great stuff! The fire that is called down from heaven by the beast that being the Roman Catholic church is 1) spiritual/demonic which leads to a satanic awakening and 2) the Antichrist himself will call down actual fire from heaven in the sight of men. Stephen St. Louis..your post was SO on target. Im glad you brought this up Barry, because the scriptures overwhelmingly tell us that Gods ways are set apart from those of the enemy. Not only that but it has Torbens website all over it which is loaded with written and video material to check out. b) of those struck with amazement The day is coming when nobody will question who is of God and who is not, because gross darkness will cover the earth and the people, but the glory of the Lord will be SEEN upon HIS people! Jesus so many times told those He had healed to tell no-one. Again I see Torbens ministry as very specific as it relates to showing the wonders and love of God to non-believers in the street. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf. Thank you to Andrew Strom also, I found your article regarding Bill Johnson that I can send to my friend. What I find very disappointing is that when some of us want to engage in an honest discussion about this story, we are met with name calling and ridicule. Ruining the faith of the faithful is most important to him. Grant that we can trust you again . Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever! 2:11. None of these biblical miracles are present in WIERDSVILLE only out of control laughter, strange behaviors, hyper spirituality and complete powerless human sorcery . I also believe, and this falls in line with the Wilkerson article, that a specific outpouring is coming where the miracles of God are going to be so manifest and evident and powerful that no one will ever be able to deny them. Dont forget Old testament where the axe head raised up out of the water, and poisoned waters were made drinkable. Come on people! Sndergaard regards receiving the Holy Spirit as having substituted receiving Jesus.[25]. Just like Jesus did with his own disciples. He thought God was going to leave him hanging out on a limb after Moses said all the things God told him to say. I appreciate what you are saying about being in God`s presence. Our household is transformed, and being renewed daily by the Holy Spirit of Grace, by witch we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ our Lord. He was a new believer who just found out about the Grace of God, the redemption of the cross, the Word of God. MIRACLES ARE A MUST! Jesus will outshine all when His servants take their proper place in the kingdom. Barry, prior to the statement above, you mentioned how Jesus would do things in a certain way, which would bring out the skeptics. It would be hard for God to grow a leg out when the wooden leg is attached. ** I find that rather humorous, considering I have seen the things of the Spirit, and believed in the moving of Gods Spirit, since I was 8-10 years old. It boils down to: YOU DONT KNOW HOW GOD OPERATES AND YOU NEVER WILL. According to the doctrine of Pentecostalism, if you cant speak in tongues, then you are not saved. Luk 9:50 KJV And Jesus said unto him, FORBID HIM NOT: for he that is not against us IS FOR US. Yeshua needs no tricksters who appear to stretch out a leg to be a half inch longer. The lawsuit states the belief that Sndergaard's arrest by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement(ICE) officerwas based on "anonymous tips" that "originated from (the) Defendant's misinformation.". [3] Fewer religious spirits to break through maybe? But I dont think he forbids us either to learn and talk about what scripture teaches us, concerning not profaning the holy things (specifically miracles) and where it can lead, especially where miracles are taking place. Does anyone know whats happened to Randall Lowrey? How about this MAGIC TRICK: FINDING A GOLD COIN IN A FISHS MOUTH! Would love your thoughts, please comment. USURPING the role of the Holy Spirit is very dangerous for ones health and welfare.check the scriptures. Christ is the greatest servant, and only He through us serves us and others. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. I used to think I was proud when I filled those out because I moved in every gift regularly Then I realized its NOT MY GIFTINGS BUT JESUS IN ME! In short, he is part of NAR.Although my area of focus has been on American leaders of NAR, I do want to draw people's attention to this European teacher as someone to watch. If that means I have to stand alone in the face of criticism from those who would call themselves followers of Jesus Christ, then so be it. The Bible distinctly says, For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. This is precisely why Jesus (God) had to become like us in all things except sin. I am beginning to think you are bragging and, Brother Tom; Here is another passage from Scriptures that also, The Fruit of the Spirit is listed in Galatians 5love,, I am not saying you highlighting false teaching or false, ChosenJulia, would you say that Hebrews 6 confirms or denies, My dear brother Tom, The passage in which you are, Sister Deborah; I disagree with your answer to whether or, Dear Chosen Julia A born again Christian can't lose their, Dear Jan-Hendrik Schreuder Not sure which article you posted your, Kevin E Curtis. manifestations of Creation into a Whole Why Jews Support Black Causes Interview With Kevin April 19th, 2019 - 237 Comments Brother Nathanael December 29 2009 6 53 pm Dear Real Zionist News Family I am actually totally exhausted from working on this interview Rather than analyse There are believers like me who are VERY cynical about some guy on the internet who claims to be able to heal people like this gentleman is doing. What is wrong with people? All I was doing was pointing out that the video evidence alone doesnt prove what it purports to prove. Jesus had no thought of creating an organization or formal group around Himself, nor did he teach disciples to form any such organized group. Jda016, you are absolutely right on in your discernment above..it is witchcraft. . He can also STOP anytime He wants to. We need to cry out every day to God and say Lord I want more and He loves to hear us say this. The Holy Spirit does NOT base this on how HOLY a person is. And Jesus, being conscious that something had flowed from Him, said to Peter, Who touched Me?, Peter replied, Why, Master, You see the crowd, and do You still ask, Who touched Me?, I know somebody touched Me, He said, for I perceive that virtue has gone out of Me. (See Mark 5:2534.) I guess I was one of those people Andrew is referring too. My friends, that is not discernment. But many of the same practices are done at Johnsons school as well as Joyners school. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. I loved the videos! At once, the currents of holy power passed through my being, and I knew that it likewise passed through the one who was sick. We are merely obeying God who commands us to test the spirits to see whether they are from God because MANY false prophets have gone out into the world (1 John 4:1). 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. God is doing a work in all believers. Yes, no matter where you came in Denmark, there would be people who would ask for one and set one free Yes, I believe we are seeing the fulfilment of the word that sounded over Denmark.[35][37]. How do you know it was not the Lords followers who called each other Christian since the text doesnt say???) 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